Cheap Armature Tutorial!

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I didn't change or edit it yet, but if you do, you might want to look for nylon washers. Marc_H gave that as a useful hint to keep the joints tighter.
I'm sure that if the joints loosen, most of us could think of many ways to help keep them from loosening. For the one I made, since there is so much extra bolt space, another nut at the end would help some... that said, I still don't know exactly how well it holds up - kind of embarrassing that I haven't animated anything since making the tutorial - by the end of the month I will, for sure, have some idea for you guys.

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I am planning on using this technique in building my first puppet. I have already purchased some of the supplies. Thanks for the tip!

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I started using your technique to build my first armature. I had some problems keeping the bolts and nuts tight. I used metal washers. I expect another type washer, like the nylon, would be better.  I tried using super glue on the nuts and tightened them quite tight. This seemed to help. Oh, I did try adding another nut, but that did not help. Since this was my first armature, I wanted something a little faster, and I constructed a wire armature. At a later time, I may go back and finish this armature.

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Yeah, there are problems with this one, just like with any armature. From what Marc_H said, I would try using nylon washers (or multiple washers between the eye screws). I haven't tried this yet - nor the idea of doubling up eye screws. I think the latter is a bit more inconvenient, since the dowel isn't that thick and cracks easily (you would need something to hold it steady and probably a drill to make nicer holes in it).

As for gluing the eye screws into the dowels - here is my tip: The most important eye screw to glue into a dowel is on the foot - this is cause when you make him walk - the screw might try to rotate under the armature's weight. DON'T glue the eye screws into the dowel where a multi-planar joint is required. This is pretty much the shoulder (both forward and backward as well as outwards) and the hips to leg connection. If you are confused move your own body and see which joints move in multiple directions. (For example, the elbow only closes and opens in one direction).

Hope this helps - good luck next time.

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once you make this do you just apply smother plasticine (modelling clay) over the top and if so how do you pull of the balancing act?
                                               

thanks


                                               

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Well, that depends. I designed the puppet more for clothing/ foam use. I don't know how it would hold up with clay around it, but sewing clothing and adding a little foam (for fattening) here or there should work well. Be warned with clay: 1) it would be heavy, 2) you wont be able to easily readjust the bolts in-between scenes, and 3) you'll wanna place some thin plastic between the joints and the clay so as not to get clay stuck in them.

Here is the video of it in testing action - I tried to force it into an extreme position to demonstrate its stability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDJdFArdH4Y

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Looks great! I'll have to check it out smile

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JesseOffy, that is such a good idea for armatures. I actually work at a hard ware store, and have been racking my brain for months trying to come up with something simple yet effective. Thankfully I looked in the forums (something I rarely do sadly). I built one joint today to see how it would work, and as others have said, the nut tends to unscrew as you move the joint. So I fiddled around until I came up with this combo: I used a screw post, two eye screws, one o-ring, and some red thread lock. Worked like a charm. I was agitating the joint all day, and it never loosened up.
Sadly I forgot it at work, so I don't have a picture of it, but I did create a pic showing what I did:
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/866/jointf.jpg

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Interesting - if I get to a hard ware store any time soon, I'll have to give that a try. Just, what's the red thread lock for?
Seems like a good solution, as long as they make screw posts small enough for this kind of thing - hopefully you can share the picture of your armature!

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yeah they make the screw post small enough. ill try to post a picture on thursday. You put the red thread lock on the screws threads, then tighten it down as tight as you want the joint to be. let it sit for a couple minutes, and then the joint is basically glued for life (with red thread lock you have to heat the treated part with a torch to get it apart). here is the brand I used:
Permatex High Strength Threadlocker

If its to tight and the thread lock is already set, you can make it move a little bit easier by applying a small amount of silicone grease on the joint.

edit: when i mean the joint is glued for life, i mean the screw post, so you don't have to worry about it coming loose

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