Future New Challenge Rule

Future New Challenge Rule

Hey everyone, I'm proposing a different rule for the monthly challenges. That the amount of time that we give is longer than one month.

The topic came up on stopmotionanimation.com here, and Nick mentioned the time table in the now gone StopMoShorts site being around 3 months. This gave everyone about one month to build sets, one for puppets and one for animation. A pretty good amount of time, and allowed for more detailed work even though people are trying to juggle their real lives at the same time.

The reason I consider 3 months to be a good length to get the films done comes mainly from so many people saying they can't get their films done, or that they really want to make a film but can't in the single month format we've been using.

So what do you guys think? Is 3 months a good time? Or should we go slightly shorter? Longer? Or determine each depending on the theme?

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It seems like a lot of people are interested in the challenges early on, but towards the end of each month there are very few entries.  Even last month, I had every intention of putting together a film, but I mismanaged my time.  I ended up scrambling to put something together within the last few hours of the night.  Three months would provide a nice cushion for those of us who get distracted by "life."

I also think the challenge themes need to be broad.  For this month, I thought I came up with a broad theme ("a strange macabre terror"), but there was an aura of confusion surrounding the topic.  Maybe in place of choosing a theme, animateclay could bring back the haiku system of SMS.

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I have yet to submit an entry for these challenges, so I'm just shooting off my big fat lip here.. I think this is a great idea, especially as I *am* trying to put something together for this month's challenge, and the month's end is approaching at terrifying speed! I presume the challenges would overlap each other? So, say August's challenge would start on August 1st, but July's challenge would only be one third of the way though, to be judged on October 1st? August's challenge would be judged on November 1st, and so on?

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MattChappell,
I thought your theme was a good one, and it definitely gave me some ideas.  But so far I've half-finished the set, made the main character's head and hands, and still have to make the body.  There's a second small puppet required, and  half a set and several props still to make.  It wont happen this month, and possibly not before the end of August either.  So, given a longer time, I would be very likely to do an entry.  But in a month, I can't do anything that feels worth doing to me.    This would vary with different animators' experience - if you're starting out, doing short pieces in a limited time is certainly worthwhile.  If you've made a number of finished films like me, you are probably wanting to go a bit further.  The other problem for me is that I keep coming up with an idea that needs new characters, and usually a new set - and once that idea takes hold it blocks me from thinking up simpler things.   Even when I have an idea for an existing puppet, like the skeleton for the drinking challenge, my idea required a second character that I had to make from scratch, and a simple set and props.
So I think there is a place for a monthly challenge that really sticks to the KISS principle, but once you start thinking in terms of telling a bit of a story it starts to get more involved.  It could be a challenge every 3 months, it could be one each month but with 3 months to the due date so there are always overlapping challenges.
Of course, even 3 months won't always be long enough - I finished one Stopmoshorts entry (L'Animateur) about a year later, and Dave Hettmer is doing one from 2005 right now!  But that's ok, that means it served the purpose of stimulating an idea, and if it leads to a film rather than a quick entry that's good too.
I did like the old keywords we had at stopmoshorts though - 2 or 3 words so if one didn't spark off an idea, another might.  And sometimes combining 2 or more was a good challenge.
Whatever the format, I find that something picked by someone else - keywords or theme -  has the benefit of introducing something I might not have thought of, which knocks me out of a rut and sends me off on a new path.  It gives something to work against.

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It's probably best to expand the time for deadline.  I haven't entered any because I've been focused on a Moses movie.  Maybe you should put up reminders on the site of each challenge's deadline, so no once can get confused.

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I'd appreciate even a half month of slack time added onto each Month's Challenge, so they do overlap a bit.
It would mean a Challenge is started at the beginning of each Month, and ending mid-way through the following Month.

3 Month's seems a little long to me, but that's just where i'm at. - As Nick highlighted.

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I support this suggestion  big_smile
In the long run it means everyone will be producing better work, because they're less likely to have to rush it.

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Hello, I'm new here. I just submitted my short for the July Challenge last night, hopefully there will be more submissions. I think you could have a monthly challenge and still give 3 months rolling lead time if that is what it takes, you just need to come up with a new challenge every month with a deadline that is 3 months away.   Many artists have a procrastination streak so having more time does not gurantee a higher quality product. Most will probably spend 2 & 1/2 months procrastinating and 2 weeks working. The way that works is "oh, I would like to submit something. Well I have 3 months to work, I'll get started next week. Well I hve 2 & 1/2 months to work, I'll get started next week. Well, I have... holy s##t two weeks left I forgot all about it!"

Also it seems that people feel they have to go through a whole planning (script, storyboard, layout, design, set design fabrication, etc etc etc) and design process that seems to sandbag their work - only people with high level project management skills can do it that way. Everyone else should follow the Nike principal and "Just Do It".

Of course, a prize for the Animation Challenge would be a great motivator - nothing expensive, maybe a little trophy to go in a trophy case! Or charge a small fee (like $15)  to enter the challenge and use that fee as the "pot" which the winner(s) divvy up (1st, 2nd, 3rd place). That might motivate more people.

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jbrave -
Why is that scenario so familiar?    tongue
Yes, I'm sure a lot of that will happen.  But the fact is, there's not much that can be done in one month if you have other commitments in life, even if you don't procrastinate.  In 3 months it is at least possible.
With the Ray's 90th, I didn't put it off, I just couldn't think of an idea until it was already getting a bit late.  When I did, I jumped in and worked hard at it.  But if it had only been a month to go I would have had to just give up.
I couldn't agree more about the "just do it" approach for what should be a fun exercise like this!  I tend to skip the scripting, storyboarding, and design and jump straight into making stuff, it's only me working on something and there are no funding bodies or TV networks to impress.  I have a general idea in my head and work out the details as I go.  I design a puppet better by sculpting it than by doing stacks of drawings anyway.   Provided I have an outline of where I am going with it, I can rely on my brain to come up with solutions to most of the small problems along the way, usually at about 3 AM!  And I like to have some room to improvise - if it's all worked out in detail before I start animating, the creative work is already done and it's just plodding through it.  But a couple of times I've jumped in with setmaking and puppets so I could at least make a start, hoping the story would come to me by the time things were made, and it didn't!

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well last months word/theme was broad but it was narrowed down to a specific type of serious claymation which was great for some of the better people like vitrol but they wouldn't have the time to make an animation

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